the chat conversation gave me jolt to contemplate in my faith and be thankful of all the blessings i have in my life...
please note that I have nothing against the protestant faith in posting this and i truly respect where they stand... i just want to share this conversation between two friends who questions the Catholic faith, and take note of the respect they have with each other while they are chatting... a truly respectable indeed....
here’s their conversation...
Friend: pwede mag ask?
Edz: ano yun pre
Friend: kaso baka magalit ka whehehee
Friend: kc doctrine ang aask ko whehehe
Edz: nagtatanong lang naman e
Edz: okay lang
Edz: open naman ako
Friend: cge
Friend: sharing tayo whehhe
Edz: okay
Friend: naniniwala ka sa bible?
Edz: siyempre
Edz: it is the basis of truth
Friend: how many percent? 100% highest
Edz: 110%
Friend: thats good
Friend: cge
Friend: so u mean lahat ng nasa bible naniniwala ka at sinusunod mo diba?
Friend: tama ba ako?
Edz: oo naman
Friend: e2 ha
Friend: sa totoo naman talaga catholic naman talaga karamihan satin eh
Edz: okay
Friend: pero naging catholic tayo hindi dahil alam natin na un ang tama....
Edz: but many of them sad to say, hindi nila alam ang kanilang pananampalataya
Friend: we became catholic kc dahil sa family natin... kung baga na adopt lang natin
Edz: okay
Friend: ayon sa history by force diba
Friend: the big issue kc sa catholic e ung idols
Edz: then...
Friend: they called it idols... ung mga santo
Edz: okay...
Friend: ano stand mo dyan.
Friend: Ex 20:3-4 (NIV) "You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."
Edz: yan yung laging issue sa mga catholics,
Edz: but they are not god and they are not worshipped.
Friend: oo bro...
Friend: hmmmmmmmmmmmp
Friend: bakit my fiesta... kc birthday daw ng saint diba...
Edz: what we worship is the the triune god.
Edz: feasting is a celebration of heaven here on earth
Edz: kasi sa heaven daw, it is feasting in eternity with God
Friend: as far as i know bday un ng saith
Friend: i already search it weehhee
Edz: no, usually, we commemorate the death of the saints because we believe, it is the moment of thier birth in heaven
Edz: we give thanks to god kapag sine-celebrate namin ang feast ng isang santo dahil binigyan niya kami ng taong inspirasyon upang mabuhay nang naaayon sa kanyang kalooban.
Friend: well its form of idolatry
Friend: kc sabi wag ka magkakaroon...
Edz: to tell you honestly, i have come to a point of doubt in my faith, i even curse my faith but as i matured, i have come to realize that the fullness of truth is in the catholic faith, of course, there is also truth in other religions.
Friend: well bro
Friend: kc kasuklam suklam un kay GOD
Friend: yang mga idols na yan
Edz: You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below." >>> malinaw naman ang pagkakasabi na you shall not create image na gagawing diyos, hindi naman namin diyos ang mga rebulto at images
Friend: e ano nyo sila
Friend: design?
Friend: meron pa kayo patron ng kagalingan.
Edz: did you know that in the time when the ark of covenant was made, nagpagawa ang diyos ng mga imahen ng anghel at kerubin bilang palamuti?
Friend: mga patron patron///
Edz: they are our inspiration, sila ang nagdadala sa amin sa taimtim na panalangin
Friend: nyak
Friend: JESUS IS ENOUGH
Friend: they all men
Edz: yes, christ is enough but we believe in the communion of the church
Edz: the communion of saints
Edz: we beleive na kaming lahat na narito sa lupa at sa langit ay magkakaugnay
Edz: saints are like our friends na tinatawagan namin upang samahan kami o ipagdasal kami sa diyos na nasa langit.
Edz: katulad ng paghingi mo ng panalangin sa iyong kaibigan kapag may problema ka
Edz: saints are members of the church triumphant, the church in heaven
Friend: basahin mo ung kwento ni lazaruz at nung mayaman
Friend: kapag namatay na ang isang tao khit anong dasal di na sya mahahango kung san man sya napunta
Friend: even c mary naging imahen nyo
Edz: yes i remember that story, yung mayaman ay nasa impiyerno? talagang kahit anong dasal ang gawin, hindi na talaga siya mahahango dun kasi nasa impyerno na
Friend: eh bakit pag may patay may padasal
Edz: okay, i will answer that>
Friend: pasyon ata un na sinasabi na hanguin nyo nawa ang kaluluwa something ganun
Edz: we beleieve in purgatory
Friend: SAN NAMAN UN SA BIBLE
Friend: theres no such thing as purgatory
Friend: kung baka in between ng heaven or hell whehhehee
Edz: you can read in the book of macabees which the prostestant church ay hindi kinikilala bilang isang canonical book na it is holy to pray for the dead.
Friend: search about it bro.
Edz: i have to ask you bro, nasaan napunta ang mga kaluluwa noong wala pa si kristo?
Friend: di kc sya aproved
Edz: nung wala pa si kristo, wala pang kaligtasan?
Edz: e di ang daming napariwara noon
Friend: SABI SA BIBLE SA HADES
Friend: NOOOOOOOOOH
Friend: I CANT REEDZMBER UNG VERSE
Friend: SAKA UNG MGA PRAYERS NYO PAULIT ULIT
Edz: aaminin ko man, hindi namin sinasaulo ang mga verses, because we read the bible by chapter or by stories
Friend: WHICH IS SA BIBLE AYAW NI GOD NG GANUN
Edz: i will also answer that question logically.
Edz: yung nasa bible na tinutukoy na paulit-ulit ay yung prayer na nagmumula lang sa labi, walang kabuluhang panalangin kasi hindi taos sa puso.
Edz: di ba mahal tayo ng diyos? yes or no?
Friend: OO NMAN MAHAL
Friend: JOHN 3:16
Edz: if your answer is yes, at kung mahal mo ang diyos, hindi ka magsasawang magsabi sa kanya ng "I LOVE YOU" at kung mahal ka ng taong pinagsasabihan mo, hindi rin siya magsasawang makining
Friend: wrong context ka naman
Edz: kahit paulit-ulit, ganun lang yun kasimple basta galing sa puso.
Friend: sya na nga nagsabi na ayw nya ng paulit ulit na prayer.
Friend: wheheee
Edz: ang tinutukoy na paulit-ulit ay yung prayer na nagmumula lang sa labi, walang kabuluhang panalangin kasi hindi taos sa puso
Edz: did you know that the rosary na sinasabi mong paulit-ulit ay nagdadala sa akin sa deep prayer to reflect on the life of jesus?
Friend: san sa bible?
Friend: pakita mo
Friend: saka ung pangungumpisal
Edz: well, i'm sorry, i am not well-versed sa mga verses sa bible, i am only answering you logically.
Friend: basta daming teaching na puro tradition lang... di sya naka base sa bible.
Friend: anyway bro
Friend: wala naman din namn sinabi sa bible kung anong religion ang makakapagligtas
Friend: its our relationship with him
Edz: well, that is the beauty of my church, you cannot understand why and what is it written without studying the tradition of the early christians and the jews.
Friend: John 3:3 (New International Version, ©2010)
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.
Edz: catholics are born again in spirit when they are baptized. kaya hindi ko lubos maisip bakit born again christians ang claim ng mga ibang christians samantalang catholics are "born again in spirit"
Friend: Romans 3:23 (New International Version, ©2010)
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Edz: tama naman
Edz: tama naman di ba
Friend: basta bro maraming conflicts sa doctrine ng catholic pag binasa mo bible
Friend: sa bagy kanya kanya naman tayo
Edz: kasi you read it as is and failed to consider the question: "why it is written."
Friend: wehhehehee
Friend: meron pang faith sa bible na niluhuran sya pero sinaway nya ung taong lumuhod sa kanya sabi nya tao lang ako...
Friend: bro thanks sa pag sagot mo ng question ko ha
Friend: ganda ng topic natin whehehe
Friend: kaso need to rest
Friend: mag church ako maya eh
- end of conversation -
I am a catholic, though i lack the mastery in bible verses, i believe and follow the teachings of the catholic church... its faith... and its doctrine... sometimes i feel that i may disagree to where my religion stands, but i still believe that my religion is still the one that guides me and gives me the wisdom and understanding in times of my need and despair...
you may not agree with me, but just remember, there are still questions in this world that cant be answered by science....
at the end, I will always believe in the FATHER, and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT. AMEN.
credits: except for the last photo, all photos are from yahoo.com